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Isn't it easier to just use usenet for privacy?
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Nomen Nescio
2018-05-25 16:03:11 UTC
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and forget about regulation?

U.S. Websites Go Dark in Europe as GDPR Data Rules Kick In

BRUSSELS--Europe's new privacy law took effect Friday, causing major
U.S. news websites to suspend access across the region as
data-protection regulators prepare to brandish their new enforcement
powers.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-websites-go-dark-in-europe-as-gdpr-data-rules-kick-in-1527242038

Regulation, of course, empowers ego trips.
Dirk T. Verbeek
2018-05-25 23:10:16 UTC
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Post by Nomen Nescio
and forget about regulation?
U.S. Websites Go Dark in Europe as GDPR Data Rules Kick In
BRUSSELS--Europe's new privacy law took effect Friday, causing major
U.S. news websites to suspend access across the region as
data-protection regulators prepare to brandish their new enforcement
powers.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-websites-go-dark-in-europe-as-gdpr-data-rules-kick-in-1527242038
Regulation, of course, empowers ego trips.
These websites going dark is a win, they are the ones not willing to
comply with basic the privacy we all want and this GDPR is finally
trying to implement.

A few weeks ago someone pointed out drphil.com went 403, I can only say
Good Riddance.
(Now it redirects to YouTube)
RS Wood
2018-05-26 03:04:56 UTC
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These websites going dark is a win, they are the ones not willing to
comply with basic the privacy we all want and this GDPR is finally
trying to implement.
A few weeks ago someone pointed out drphil.com went 403, I can only
say Good Riddance.
(Now it redirects to YouTube)
So, the world is a better place, and drphil has been revealed for the
frivolous comedy it always was.
Roger Blake
2018-05-27 03:37:55 UTC
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U.S. Websites Go Dark in Europe as GDPR Data Rules Kick In
BRUSSELS--Europe's new privacy law took effect Friday, causing major
U.S. news websites to suspend access across the region ...
Why would US-based websites give a damn about legislation in Europe?
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Dirk T. Verbeek
2018-05-27 09:59:03 UTC
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U.S. Websites Go Dark in Europe as GDPR Data Rules Kick In
BRUSSELS--Europe's new privacy law took effect Friday, causing major
U.S. news websites to suspend access across the region ...
Why would US-based websites give a damn about legislation in Europe?
When they want the business of around 550 million reasonably well off
customers.
Many of them run on the www and these letters stand for something...
Huge
2018-05-27 10:22:08 UTC
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U.S. Websites Go Dark in Europe as GDPR Data Rules Kick In
BRUSSELS--Europe's new privacy law took effect Friday, causing major
U.S. news websites to suspend access across the region ...
Why would US-based websites give a damn about legislation in Europe?
Typical parochial, know-nothing, arrogant, Trump-voting, "make Amerika
grate (sic) again" Yankee fuck-stick.
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Rich
2018-05-27 13:28:45 UTC
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U.S. Websites Go Dark in Europe as GDPR Data Rules Kick In
BRUSSELS--Europe's new privacy law took effect Friday, causing major
U.S. news websites to suspend access across the region ...
Why would US-based websites give a damn about legislation in Europe?
Typical parochial, know-nothing, arrogant, Trump-voting, "make Amerika
grate (sic) again" Yankee fuck-stick.
That may play in to some of it, but another factor has been the reports
that the plan is to apply GDPR fines to any company 'doing business' in
the EU, no matter where the company is located.

So their atty's. are likely paniking and suggesting "cut them off until
we figure out what this means". Now, they have had two years to
"figure it out" so waiting until 11pm the night before, well, that is
just their own fault.

It is also likely a *very* high indicator of how many 'tracking and
monitoring' ad networks they serve on their homepage. Because if they
were not serving all those tracking scripts, they would likely have
little to worry about (not tracking means nothing stored means likely
no GDPR risk).
Huge
2018-05-27 14:02:25 UTC
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U.S. Websites Go Dark in Europe as GDPR Data Rules Kick In
BRUSSELS--Europe's new privacy law took effect Friday, causing major
U.S. news websites to suspend access across the region ...
Why would US-based websites give a damn about legislation in Europe?
Typical parochial, know-nothing, arrogant, Trump-voting, "make Amerika
grate (sic) again" Yankee fuck-stick.
That may play in to some of it, but another factor has been the reports
that the plan is to apply GDPR fines to any company 'doing business' in
the EU, no matter where the company is located.
You mean like the Yanks have been doing to non-Merkin firms for years.
Irritating, isn't it?
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So their atty's. are likely panicing and suggesting "cut them off until
we figure out what this means". Now, they have had two years to
"figure it out" so waiting until 11pm the night before, well, that is
just their own fault.
Quite. So you can add "incompetent" to the list above.
Post by Rich
It is also likely a *very* high indicator of how many 'tracking and
monitoring' ad networks they serve on their homepage. Because if they
were not serving all those tracking scripts, they would likely have
little to worry about (not tracking means nothing stored means likely
no GDPR risk).
Well, indeed. TBH, I couldn't care less about the Merkin firms who have cut
off the Europeans, but I suppose some people do.
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Rich
2018-05-27 18:26:56 UTC
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Post by Nomen Nescio
U.S. Websites Go Dark in Europe as GDPR Data Rules Kick In
BRUSSELS--Europe's new privacy law took effect Friday,
causing major U.S. news websites to suspend access across
the region ...
Why would US-based websites give a damn about legislation in Europe?
Typical parochial, know-nothing, arrogant, Trump-voting, "make
Amerika grate (sic) again" Yankee fuck-stick.
That may play in to some of it, but another factor has been the
reports that the plan is to apply GDPR fines to any company 'doing
business' in the EU, no matter where the company is located.
You mean like the Yanks have been doing to non-Merkin firms for
years. Irritating, isn't it?
Yes, agreed. And yes, the US has been badly guilty of trying to impose
their viewpoint on the rest of the world, esp. when it comes to "stuff
on the internet". So in some sense, it is a case of turnabout is fair
play. Whether it will teach our politicians anything is unknown (and
doubtful).
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Post by Rich
So their atty's. are likely panicing and suggesting "cut them off
until we figure out what this means". Now, they have had two years
to "figure it out" so waiting until 11pm the night before, well,
that is just their own fault.
Quite. So you can add "incompetent" to the list above.
Very true.
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Post by Rich
It is also likely a *very* high indicator of how many 'tracking and
monitoring' ad networks they serve on their homepage. Because if
they were not serving all those tracking scripts, they would likely
have little to worry about (not tracking means nothing stored means
likely no GDPR risk).
Well, indeed. TBH, I couldn't care less about the Merkin firms who
have cut off the Europeans, but I suppose some people do.
It will be interesting to see the eventual fallout. Those that
'really' want business with the EU may eventually simply provide the
GDPR level protections to everyone, as that will be the easiest course
for them long term.

Short term, I expect many to try the "split personality" method, until
the pain of managing two separate silos becomes too great.
Shadow
2018-05-27 19:20:07 UTC
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U.S. Websites Go Dark in Europe as GDPR Data Rules Kick In
BRUSSELS--Europe's new privacy law took effect Friday, causing major
U.S. news websites to suspend access across the region ...
Why would US-based websites give a damn about legislation in Europe?
Typical parochial, know-nothing, arrogant, Trump-voting, "make Amerika
grate (sic) again" Yankee fuck-stick.
That may play in to some of it, but another factor has been the reports
that the plan is to apply GDPR fines to any company 'doing business' in
the EU, no matter where the company is located.
Great news for consumers and their privacy.
Thanks, made my day.
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RS Wood
2018-05-28 02:51:12 UTC
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Why would US-based websites give a damn about legislation in Europe?
Typical parochial, know-nothing, arrogant, Trump-voting, "make Amerika
grate (sic) again" Yankee fuck-stick.
Surely you can do better than that? You're hardly trying!

Settle down, Brexit :)
Roger Blake
2018-05-28 04:10:24 UTC
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Surely you can do better than that? You're hardly trying!
Settle down, Brexit :)
Probably some Britisher jerk that would be speaking German if it
were not for the U.S. No doubt his mother wears army boots and
dresses him funny.
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Huge
2018-05-28 09:09:29 UTC
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Why would US-based websites give a damn about legislation in Europe?
Typical parochial, know-nothing, arrogant, Trump-voting, "make Amerika
grate (sic) again" Yankee fuck-stick.
Surely you can do better than that? You're hardly trying!
LOL

But thanks for the encouragement.
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Roger Blake
2018-05-28 04:07:16 UTC
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Typical parochial, know-nothing, arrogant, Trump-voting, "make Amerika
grate (sic) again" Yankee fuck-stick.
Typical known-nothing, arrogant, jackasshole fuck-stick. Don't go
away mad, little one. Just go away.
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Scott Alfter
2018-05-30 19:09:07 UTC
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U.S. Websites Go Dark in Europe as GDPR Data Rules Kick In
BRUSSELS--Europe's new privacy law took effect Friday, causing major
U.S. news websites to suspend access across the region ...
Why would US-based websites give a damn about legislation in Europe?
When they want the business of around 550 million reasonably well off
customers.
Would you expect European laws to govern your transactions with a store
elsewhere in the world? If not, why do you expect the Web to be any
different?

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Scott Alfter
2018-05-30 19:13:01 UTC
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U.S. Websites Go Dark in Europe as GDPR Data Rules Kick In
BRUSSELS--Europe's new privacy law took effect Friday, causing major
U.S. news websites to suspend access across the region ...
Why would US-based websites give a damn about legislation in Europe?
When they want the business of around 550 million reasonably well off
customers.
Would you expect European laws to govern your transactions with a store
elsewhere in the world? If not, why do you expect the Web to be any
different?
Responding to my own post to clarify that said transactions would involve
you hopping on a plane to some other country and going to a store in that
other country to buy something, not merely going to that store's website to
order something.

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Huge
2018-05-30 19:23:06 UTC
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U.S. Websites Go Dark in Europe as GDPR Data Rules Kick In
BRUSSELS--Europe's new privacy law took effect Friday, causing major
U.S. news websites to suspend access across the region ...
Why would US-based websites give a damn about legislation in Europe?
When they want the business of around 550 million reasonably well off
customers.
Would you expect European laws to govern your transactions with a store
elsewhere in the world? If not, why do you expect the Web to be any
different?
Why not ask your Government?
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Dirk T. Verbeek
2018-06-01 20:46:59 UTC
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U.S. Websites Go Dark in Europe as GDPR Data Rules Kick In
BRUSSELS--Europe's new privacy law took effect Friday, causing major
U.S. news websites to suspend access across the region ...
Why would US-based websites give a damn about legislation in Europe?
When they want the business of around 550 million reasonably well off
customers.
Would you expect European laws to govern your transactions with a store
elsewhere in the world? If not, why do you expect the Web to be any
different?
Because contrary to the USofA the EU has *consumer* laws.
Hopping on a plane does not change much, the consumer is still covered
by the law of the place he is doing business, *possibly* the laws of
the convenient place where the company has it's headquarters.
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Stefan Ram
2018-05-27 15:19:35 UTC
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U.S. Websites Go Dark in Europe as GDPR Data Rules Kick In
BRUSSELS--Europe's new privacy law took effect Friday, causing major
U.S. news websites to suspend access across the region ...
Why would US-based websites give a damn about legislation in Europe?
I'm also wondering about this. Say, there is a server in the USA.
Now a European citizen reads a page from that server and this page
somehow does not agree with European laws and a European judge fines
the owner of the server to a penalty of USD 200. If the owner of
the server, who is a US citizen, does not pay, what are the Europeans
going to do? Will the send a task force into the USA?
Shadow
2018-05-27 19:19:58 UTC
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U.S. Websites Go Dark in Europe as GDPR Data Rules Kick In
BRUSSELS--Europe's new privacy law took effect Friday, causing major
U.S. news websites to suspend access across the region ...
Why would US-based websites give a damn about legislation in Europe?
I'm also wondering about this. Say, there is a server in the USA.
Now a European citizen reads a page from that server and this page
somehow does not agree with European laws and a European judge fines
the owner of the server to a penalty of USD 200. If the owner of
the server, who is a US citizen, does not pay, what are the Europeans
going to do? Will the send a task force into the USA?
Dunno. What happens when some teen in the EU breaks some
American Media law ?
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Roger Blake
2018-05-28 04:11:39 UTC
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I'm also wondering about this. Say, there is a server in the USA.
Now a European citizen reads a page from that server and this page
somehow does not agree with European laws and a European judge fines
the owner of the server to a penalty of USD 200. If the owner of
the server, who is a US citizen, does not pay, what are the Europeans
going to do? Will the send a task force into the USA?
That was my point when Huge Dickhead piped up with his asinine comment.
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Bruce Horrocks
2018-05-29 00:18:54 UTC
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U.S. Websites Go Dark in Europe as GDPR Data Rules Kick In
BRUSSELS--Europe's new privacy law took effect Friday, causing major
U.S. news websites to suspend access across the region ...
Why would US-based websites give a damn about legislation in Europe?
I'm also wondering about this. Say, there is a server in the USA.
Now a European citizen reads a page from that server and this page
somehow does not agree with European laws and a European judge fines
the owner of the server to a penalty of USD 200. If the owner of
the server, who is a US citizen, does not pay, what are the Europeans
going to do? Will the send a task force into the USA?
It's not the best example for several reasons:

- the server being in the USA is irrelevant to GDPR - it is the
nationality of the company putting the content onto the server that
matters. So a European company can't avoid GDPR simply by hosting
outside of Europe.

- just reading a page is not enough - the company has to store some
personal data about the person doing the reading. For an 'ordinary' site
this is unlikely to be a problem. For Facebook, with its shadow profiles
of non-members, this is very likely to be a problem

- prosecutions have to be against EU based operations / subsidiaries /
branch offices or the like. So any fines would be issued against an EU
based entity.

So to answer the point you were getting at: a US-owned company with no
EU presence need not comply with the GDPR and can't be prosecuted under
GDPR for not doing so.
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Huge
2018-05-29 08:07:05 UTC
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U.S. Websites Go Dark in Europe as GDPR Data Rules Kick In
BRUSSELS--Europe's new privacy law took effect Friday, causing major
U.S. news websites to suspend access across the region ...
Why would US-based websites give a damn about legislation in Europe?
I'm also wondering about this. Say, there is a server in the USA.
Now a European citizen reads a page from that server and this page
somehow does not agree with European laws and a European judge fines
the owner of the server to a penalty of USD 200. If the owner of
the server, who is a US citizen, does not pay, what are the Europeans
going to do?
The equivalent thing to what the US does when a European company does
business with someone they don't like, dimwit. They'll punish the
operations of that entity where they're within jurisdiction. If there
aren't any, well game over, obviously.
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Nomen Nescio
2018-05-29 17:02:56 UTC
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U.S. Websites Go Dark in Europe as GDPR Data Rules Kick In
BRUSSELS--Europe's new privacy law took effect Friday, causing major
U.S. news websites to suspend access across the region ...
Why would US-based websites give a damn about legislation in Europe?
I'm also wondering about this. Say, there is a server in the USA.
Now a European citizen reads a page from that server and this page
somehow does not agree with European laws and a European judge fines
the owner of the server to a penalty of USD 200. If the owner of
the server, who is a US citizen, does not pay, what are the Europeans
going to do? Will the send a task force into the USA?
That's a very interesting question. Who needs a task force when there's
a weaponized SWIFT available?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_for_Worldwide_Interbank_Financial_Telecommunication

The United Kingdom and the USA recently used SWIFT seize billions from
France in order to coerce it into not delivering Mistral warships
destined for Russia. SWIFT originates from Brussels. The EU has the
means to enforce economic sanctions, but do they have the will?

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