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edbrowse, anyone?
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Ivan Shmakov
2018-07-15 09:05:31 UTC
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[Cross-posting to news:comp.infosystems.www.misc, for it's ought
to be on-topic there, but omitting from Followup-To:, as that
group doesn't seem to be active.]

It was brought to my attention that the Edbrowse article is
considered for deletion at Wikipedia. Again. [1]

So, I've tried to look up for possible sources that can be
referenced (for verifiability's sake, if not notability proper),
but there seem to be virtually none to be found.

Which is rather surprising, given that I've got an impression
that it's about the only Web browser with JavaScript support
that can be sanely operated by a blind user. (To quote the
Wikipedia article, a section of it I'm unsure truly belongs there,
"A sighted user quickly locates items on the screen by moving
his eyes, but the efficiency and speed of this visual interface
is lost when those eye movements are replaced with a mouse
and a screen reader.") Or are there indeed better alternatives?

(Or did my Web search fail to yield some valuable and relevant
pointers?)

Personally, I'm using Lynx for way over a decade, and find it
about perfect for casual Web reading. However, I'm also
interested in JavaScript support, mainly for two reasons:

* JavaScript is the new BASIC; you write a program in JavaScript,
and it runs pretty much anywhere; I've tried to employ that
for education purposes (say, [2]), although didn't progress
much on that, in no small part "thanks" to Firefox being the
unwieldy monstrosity it is;

* various sites tend to require JavaScript support for
contributing, and "ecommerce" is virtually inseparable from it.

Hence is my recent interest in Edbrowse. I hope to check the
version in Debian testing soon, and if it lets me pay my bills,
Firefox will have one less use case for me. (The other being
typesetting, where Edbrowse wouldn't be able to compete, alas.)

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Edbrowse_(2nd_nomination)
(URI split for netiquette.)
[2] Runge-Kutta-based RLC model example.
URI: http://am-1.org/~ivan/src/sdhLKYUM.xhtml
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๐Ÿ˜‰ Good Guy ๐Ÿ˜‰
2018-07-15 17:24:31 UTC
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Post by Ivan Shmakov
Which is rather surprising, given that I've got an impression
that it's about the only Web browser with JavaScript support
that can be sanely operated by a blind user.
I am not sure I understand your quoted statement but Firefox (or
Microsoft Edge) can support JS that can be "sanely operated by a blind
user". Did you mean blind as in completely blind person who can't see
or were you just stating this euphemistically?

I take it you haven't used FF or Edge, is this so? You said you are a
Lynx user so you may not know about modern browsers what they can do and
what they can't do.
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Eli the Bearded
2018-07-18 00:26:10 UTC
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Post by รฐยŸย˜ย‰ Good Guy รฐยŸย˜ย‰
I am not sure I understand your quoted statement but Firefox (or
Microsoft Edge) can support JS that can be "sanely operated by a blind
user". Did you mean blind as in completely blind person who can't see
or were you just stating this euphemistically?
The edbrowse tool is optimized for single line braille displays. So,
yes, "completely blind".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refreshable_braille_display

Firefox / Edge / Chrome / Safari / Opera will *not* work at all on those.
And more commonly used text browsers like lynx / elinks / w3m will not
work well on those.

Elijah
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long time, if infrequent, edbrowse user

Eli the Bearded
2018-07-18 00:17:18 UTC
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Post by Ivan Shmakov
[Cross-posting to news:comp.infosystems.www.misc, for it's ought
to be on-topic there, but omitting from Followup-To:, as that
group doesn't seem to be active.]
Doesn't mean it doesn't have readers.
Post by Ivan Shmakov
It was brought to my attention that the Edbrowse article is
considered for deletion at Wikipedia. Again. [1]
I put in my vote for keep.
Post by Ivan Shmakov
Personally, I'm using Lynx for way over a decade, and find it
about perfect for casual Web reading.
I use it reasonably often, but it's far from perfect. Woe betide you
if you need to read actual tabular data in Lynx.
Post by Ivan Shmakov
Hence is my recent interest in Edbrowse. I hope to check the
version in Debian testing soon, and if it lets me pay my bills,
Firefox will have one less use case for me. (The other being
typesetting, where Edbrowse wouldn't be able to compete, alas.)
You can typeset just fine in edbrowse. Just make sure it's a text-based
system like [ntg]roff or tex.
Post by Ivan Shmakov
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Edbrowse_(2nd_nomination)
(URI split for netiquette.)
Personally, I'd rather a long line for long URLs:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Edbrowse_(2nd_nomination)

I can double-click those, even when they wrap, and select the whole URL.
YMMV.

Elijah
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